Commander Izton
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Posted - 2008.04.14 12:09:00 -
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"If you need ISK, then please use the Secure ETC Trading System. This system is completely secure and risk free and the ISK you get this way is yours to keep, while we will mercilessly remove ISK bought for real money from ISK sellers, and we remove tens of billions of illegally purchased ISK every day."
This statement is false. The ETC trading system is not secure what so ever. CCP holds you liable for the actions of the people you trade the time too using their system. Without naming names person 'A' purchased a time card through this ETC system and Shateredcrystal. Person 'A' rcvd 360 mil isk and followed the rules exactly.Everything went perfectly-or so we thought. After completing the transaction person 'B' took his new timecard and sold it for real money to another player- person 'B' was caught red handed. Person 'B' got off with a warning and lost his timecard which didnt cost him anything but data on a stupid hardrive in Iceland. Person 'A' was punished more severely when ccp removed the isk from his account. Person 'A' is out real world money and has nothing to show for it. Who wins in the scenario? CCP. Person 'A' went through the proper channels and pleaded with CCP to be compensated somehow. Person 'A' also demanded person 'B' be banned for abusing the ETC system. Here is GM Krymus's response
"I wish we did not have to take these actions, but we prefer to remove the isk, rather than banning the account as we are aware that many simply do not read the rules"
" It is absolutely certain that all donations from this character were being sold for real money. As such, we are forced to remove the ISK from those who received it, as this is a violation of the EVE Online EULA"
I dont have a problem with ccp removing the isk from the game. I do however, have a problem with CCP profiting from the sale of the timecard and not giving anything to anyone. Person A followed the rules and was punished more severely than person 'b', who was clearly the guilty party according to the GM. CCP should either provide a timecard,ISK in question, or at least a partial refund to Person 'A' money minus shatteredcrystal's cut.
For those of you like me considering using the ETC system keep this in mind.You might get absolutely nothing for your money if someone you dont even know breaks the rules after the transaction. Whether we follow the rules or break them we are all at the mercy of CCP and the whims of the GMs.
GameNotzi
This seems rather impossible. When you sell a GTC through the secure system, the person buying doesn't get the code. They get an offer on their account. So it is impossible to re-sell. It sounds like your friend was selling the code, but not through the secure system, which is recently against the EULA. Although, depending how long ago your friend sold the GTC, it may not have been against the rules at that time. Either way, not cool that he went legit and still got burned.
IF you READ and comprehend a little more carefully, especially the GM's quotes you will see it happened exactly how I stated- and it happened a couple of weeks ago. Thats not in question... I challenge any moderator or gm to dispute my facts I stated. I dont not know exactly how Person 'b' was caught since i dont know him nor do i care. I am deeply concerned with CCP saying something is "risk free" when in fact its not
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